The DALY's Of West Cork

 

THE HISTORY OF DALY - O’DALY – O DALAIGH

IN CO CORK

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This is our best estimate for the greater family history behind the Kate Daly who we believe married Timothy Hurley, and became the mother of the Catherine Hurley who married John Hickey in London before emigrating to South Aust.

For the full rationale behind the selection of this Kate Daly as being the most likely mother of Catherine Hurley, see...

“Once We Had Land And Castles And Everything”

...in the Stories section, but the following is a thumbnail sketch.

 

Catherine Hurley’s baptism?

From the scant facts from their daughter Catherine Hurley’s marriage certificate and the 1871 UK Census, 12 posibilities were extracted from the “Church Records” section of the website Irishgenealogy.ie, based only on...

  [1] her name being Catherine (Cath, Cathn, Cate, Kate, in records that still exist, as there are surely some missing, especially during the ‘45-‘52 Famine), and she was baptised to a Timothy Hurl(e)y in Co Cork,

  [2] taken from the date range of 1842 to 1848 (with a 4 year buffer each end for good measure).

     The one we have selected as clearly the most likely (and for the workup notes to the other 11 contenders see the separate file “Hurley Contenders”), is...

 

3/6/46 – A Catherine Hurley was baptised to a Timothy Hurley & a Kate Daly, in “Cahcup” townland in Caharagh parish, Co Cork

 

Caheragh is a big parish in West Cork, SW of Drimoleague, between Bantry and Skibbereen, and – cross-checking the original church records - the transcribed “Cahcup” is actually “Caheragh”, the townland.

Caheragh – parish and townland - is pronounced “Ca-hair-ugh” or “Ca-heer-ugh”, believably close to the “Hairech”(*) that the Census-taker heard when he asked Catherine Hurley where she was born. (He wrote down “Kilmene” for John, implying his actual birth parish of Kilmeen, so why wouldn’t his wife say her birth parish also).

(*)The “Where Born” in the 1871 UK Census, shows Catherine as “Hairech, Co Cork”, a place written down as heard phonetically by the English census-taker, as neither Catherine nor John could read or write.

A Cork City Librarian (local history section), and a Kerry schoolteacher (who has Irish as his first language), both suggested that a two-syllable place like “Gearagh”, or “Derragh” could sound like “Hairech” when spoken by an uneducated Irish country girl and heard by an Englishman.

Also, when listening to the word “Caheragh” spoken by the Irish-to-English online translator (albeit some modern and educated voice) it’s believable that it could have been heard as “Hair-ech”. AND, if you type the word “Caheragh” on your MS Word (recent versions) and hit the Speak icon it also sounds very convincing.

 

Marriage?

From all of the scraps, the best bet for this Kate’s marriage would be...

7/2/1826 (it was a Tuesday) - a Timothy Hurley of Dunmanway married a Kate Daly (servant) in Drimoleague par, witnesses John Daly and Tim Daly.

 

So, if this Timothy was from Dunmanway (in Fanlobbus par) and Kate was working/living in Drimoleague, and a search of the Irish Church Records (nominating NO place) between 1826 and 1850, for ANY children ANY-where of a Timothy Hurley and Kate Daly, gives only six hits, being Daniel in 1827 in Fanlobbus, then 1830-1839 Mary, Tim, John, Mick in Drimoleague, then Kate 1846 in Caheragh, it’s a fair call that this is all one family, moving about during hard times. (And did she name two of her kids – Tim and John - after the two witnesses at her wedding?)

 



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All of the above is only to establish that the Kate Daly who we believe is the ancestor of “our” Hickeys of South Australia, undoubtably came from an ancestral Daly pool in West Cork.

Also, as is the case with so many Catholic Irish family histories, it’s very hard (just about impossible!) to connect them back to any of their pre-1800 family pools with any certainty, due to the lack of, and so much subsequent loss of, Catholic records, plus the impact of the 1845-1849 Great Famine, and then the destruction of the 1841 to 1891 Census Returns during 1920s.

So, mostly we can only explore the greater family history of the “clan”, even if we can’t connect “our” Kate Daly back to a specific ancestor within that clan.

 

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THE HISTORY OF DALY - O’DALY – O DALAIGH

IN CO CORK

 

While it’s hard to get a lot of clear data on the early evolution of the Daly clan, one thing that all the experts say about them is that in ancient times, they were said to be from the same stock as the O’Neills and O’Donnells of Ulster, and were considered to be great, if not the greatest, poets (or ollamh, being poet or man of learning), and had the patronage of many of the biggest movers and shakers of the day.

Also, back in that sketchiness of history, it’s also said that by the time of the O’Brien v MacCarthy inter-clan power struggles (c 1000 AD), they were established in the centre of Ireland in Co Westmeath.

But first, to better understand how the Dalys fit into the larger history of West Cork, it would be best to re-read a brief summary of the MacCarthys in...

“The Rise And Fall Of An Irish Dynasty”

...over in the Stories section.

 

 

The Origin of the Co Cork O’Dalys

 

There is some speculation among modern Irish historians as to whether the Munster O’Dalys were actually descendants of the Westmeath clan at all. One writes...

“Although the Westmeath origin of the surname is best known, from a very early date families of the name were prominent in Co. Cork, and especially in the area around the peninsula of Muintervarra or Sheep's Head in west Cork. The likeliest explanation is that the name had a separate origin in the south. Even so, these O'Dalys had an equally strong association with poetry and learning...”

But another says...

“...there is no clear indication that the Munster branch of the Ó Dálaigh were considered to have had separate origins from the others.”

But all we know is that as early as 1161 one Raghnall Ua Dalaigh was ollamh “of Desmond”, implying they were already the hereditary ollamhs of the all powerful MacCarthys down in West Cork. Surely it’s not just coincidence that this clan were also great writers and poets like their Westmeath counterparts.

One argument would have to be that – just like the O’Hurleys - a branch of the Westmeath O’Dalaigh clan came south attached to the MacCarthys after losing the O’Brien power struggles. In fact, one writer says...

“There were also other important Eóganachta septs in the records who migrated to Munster and Desmond at one time or another, including O'Donovans, O'Driscolls, O'Mahonys, O'Callaghans, O'Dalys, O'Crowleys, O'Learys, and O'Collins.”

Another says...

“The Ó Dálaigh continued to achieve prominence in the societies of their new homelands, becoming poets to various royal courts across Ireland and ruling as minor chiefs over lands outside of Westmeath.”

 

 

The Power Of The Poets

 

In these times, poets were powerful! One source writes...

“The noble bards of Ireland were accorded great prestige and were accounted filid or "men of skill"; in social rank, they were placed below kings but above all others [and] the Ó Dálaigh were the foremost practitioners of the exacting and difficult poetry form known as Dán Díreach throughout the Late Medieval period (1250-1500).

“Part of the prestige that attached to the Irish bardic ollamh was derived from fear; a leader satirised in a glam dicenn (satire-poem), by a very able poet, could find his social position badly undermined.”

Being of such standing in the eyes (and ears!) of the chiefs, at a very early age the O’Dalaighs were given land...

“The Muintir Bhaire peninsula (Sheep’s Head) in West Cork is particularly associated with the O’Dalys of Desmond from an early period. But they acquired the peninsula not from the MacCarthys but one of the Carews, probably Robert, whose mother was a MacCarthy. The family seat was apparently in Kilcrohane.”

This is borne out by the fact that a plea roll of 1299 records that one Maurice Carew sued the O’Dalys of Muinntear Bhaire (along with some other Irish families) in respect of land they held from (that is, overlorded by) Carew.

 

 

The Middle Years

 

There’s not a lot of specific information on the O’Dalys in the “middle” centuries before the final great upheavals of the 1601 and 1642 Rebellions, when just about all Irish Catholic clans lost everything. But even by the late 1500s it would seem that times were getting tougher for poets, and they couldn’t be too picky about a contract!

Apparently one Angus O’Daly (Aonghus Ruadh na nAor Ó Dálaigh, 1550–1617) “...of the Muintir Bhaire sept, and lived at Balliorrone, County Cork...” was commissioned by local (English) bigwig Sir George Carew “...to lampoon the Irish chieftains and instigate enmity between them.”

It was never going to end well, as another historian puts it, he “...maliciously hired a poet named Angus O’Daly to go around among the few remaining chieftains and satirise them on their fallen estates.” (I can only think this nust have been immediately after the confiscations that followed the 1601 Rebellion. A classic case of putting in the boot!).

He goes on, how “...few of these men were now able to maintain a poet in their household and O’Daly was glad of a job from anyone. With his pointed wit, he jibed at the MacGillicuddys for their gloom, the O’Reillys for their helplessness, the O’Sullivans for the bad wine they gave their guests. But when a servant of the O’Meaghers heard this kind of performance, he could not endure the insult to his masters. He plunged a knife in the mocker and thus ended the poet’s career."

Like I said – never going to end well, especially when you turn on your own! No matter how bad their wine may have been!

 

 

The Decline

 

The end of the prominence of all of the Gaelic-speaking nobility of Ireland in the early 1600s also meant the end of the bardic families, such as the Ó Dálaigh, that depended on their patronage. With the added loss of all their land in the wake of these rebellions, most branches of the Ó Dálaigh hit hard times.

One writer says “...an example of this is the fate of the Dalys of Mhuintir Bháire (Sheep's Head Pen), all those relatives and descendants of Aonghus Ruadh Ó Dálaigh (recently departed!) lost the last of their land in the aftermath of the fall of James II, and were reduced to the state of struggling tenant farmers.”

The Daly name (with many variations) scattered, but the Co Cork concentration remained the greatest, and in a survey in 1659 of Co Cork, O’Dalys were most numerous in West carbery, with some 44 families.

In the 1820s (Tithes) Caheragh had 7 Daly households, Fanlobbus 4, and “Dromdaleague” (as “Dealy”) had 7.

By the 1850s (Griffiths) there were some 3,800 Daly households in all of Ireland, but the most by far was in Co Cork (860), then next biggest is Westmeath (232), then Kerry (227), and Offaly (190), and then they drop off quickly to much smaller numbers, but well scattered.

Within a fairly wide spread of Daly households across Co Cork in the 1850s, the larger ones (other than Cork City, which had some 70-odd) are Kilmeen (in Duhallow) 29, and Clonfert 27. Fanlobbus had 16, Drimoleague 12, and Caheragh 6.

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A more intensive search and cross-referencing of available BMD records with the Tithes and Griffiths Valuations may narrow down the possibilities for this Kate Daly’s parents, and there’s some data on likely (maybe) contenders for her siblings in “Once We Had Land And Castles And Everything”, but at least it’s a fair bet that the one above is “our” Kate Daly.

 

One more point...

 

The Duhallow Daly’s

It should also be noted that we believe the HICKEY’s of Kilmeen parish in Co Cork (the Duhallow Kilmeen that is, as there are TWO Kilmeens in Co Cork just to keep it interesting, the “Hickey” one up in the Boherbue area, and the “Hurley” one down in the Clonakilty area), also had Daly’s in their life – see “The Irish Couple Who Barely Existed”.

There’s a whole parish in Duhallow called Nohavaldaly (plus a townland called Ballydaly). Being curious about the origin of the “Nohaval” bit – “Daly” had to be the family - lots of digging, and trial and error with the online Irish-English interpreter, gave me the answer.

The original Irish spelling (“Nohaval” is how the English ear heard it) was “Nuachongbhail”. The only place I found this was in a copy of “The Book Of Fenagh”, and ancient manuscript of prose and poetry from the 1500s, but there’s a full copy online of the 1875 first published edition. It’s worth a look just out of academic curiosity.

Anyway, a small footnote explained that the word is actually from three parts – “nua” (new), “con” (together), and “gabail” (taking) – so presumably implies that an area of land in Duhallow was newly acquired by the clan, and so was always referred to locally as Nuachongbhail-O’Dalaigh, which in time became the parish of Nohavaldaly.

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I can’t quickly find when a branch of the Dalys migrated up into Duhallow, but I did find...

“In 1541 a Fitzmaurice and a poet called “Odale The Rymor” held 480 acres between them at Tullylease in the far north of Co Cork, by the Kerry border.”

“The O’Daly lands, in what is now the parish of Nohavaldaly on the border of Cork and Kerry, were given to them by Mac Carthy Mor.”

“The O’Keeffes of Duhallow were big sponsors of the O’Daly poets, and some Munster genealogists argue that in fact the O’Dalys derive from the same stock as the O’Keeffes.”

 

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And in closing, for some truly serious research into the O’Dalaighs of Ireland, follow the tag below into the Internet Archive.

 

HISTORY OF THE O'DALYS


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